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  • As the Vikings get set to wrap up their offseason program, it’s time to hear from the fans, who had some great questions on Mr. Mankato, Cordarrelle Patterson and Teddy Bridgewater. But we start with a topic that no Vikings fan likes to discuss.

     

    From @Ulaeron: If you look at the schedule, which game looks to be the one we should win but will lose in baffling fashion?

     

    Looking back to last season, everybody points to the Week 1 San Francisco fiasco as the team’s worst loss of the year, and it wasn’t close. Losses to Denver, Green Bay, Seattle and Arizona were all understandable, but losing by 17 to a team with a ton of roster turnover that eventually went 5-11 was inexplicable.

     

    In all likelihood, it was San Francisco’s new coaching staff, led by Jim Tomsula, that surprised Mike Zimmer with some unexpected schemes. Give Zimmer a chance to watch four games on film and he’ll have a gameplan, but a first-time head coach in his first regular season game? That’s much tougher.

     

    Minnesota runs into a similar situation in Week 1 this year with former Vikings tight end Mike Mularkey now the head coach in Tennessee. Mularkey has held two prior head coaching gigs -- Buffalo from 2004-05 and Jacksonville in 2012 – so there may be more of a book on him than there was Tomsula, but it will still be a challenge.

     

    The Titans have a lot of young talent with QB Marcus Mariota and WR Dorial Green-Beckham entering their second seasons. They also added OT Jack Conklin, LB Kevin Dodd, DT Austin Johnson and RB Derrick Henry in the first two rounds of April’s draft after dealing the first overall pick. Aside from analyzing limited preseason reps, it will be difficult for Zimmer to anticipate how Mularkey intends on utilizing all these new pieces. That makes this is a scary season opener for the Vikings, who are currently favored by a field goal in this game, according to bet365.com.

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnmcHyBUXzs

     

    From @urbwes: Which non-German Viking will win Mr. Mankato?

     

    Nice clarification, but I don’t think Moritz Bӧhringer will be in the running anyway. He struggled mightily in the first OTA session that the media attended and has a long way to go just to get in the discussion for this distinguished honor. He also told reporters that he’d never attended a football meeting until coming to America. The game of football is complex enough in English, so imagine having to learn the lexicon in your non-native tongue. That may be an even bigger hurdle for MoBo than catching passes from Joel Stave in practice.

     

    So which non-German do I like? I’ll give you three names.

     

    LB Edmond RobinsonThe former seventh-round pick from Newberry appeared in nine games last year and started two when the Vikings had injury issues at linebacker. So far in OTAs, he’s gotten some first-team reps due to Anthony Barr’s injury and has flashed nicely. While Barr will likely be back in action by the time the regular season comes around, Robinson could earn a chance to split reps with Chad Greenway at the weakside spot. The Vikings will be looking for Greenway’s full-time successor throughout this season, and Robinson should be in the mix.

     

    DE Stephen WeatherlyLast year, Danielle Hunter was arguably a Mr. Mankato finalist and won’t be sneaking up on anybody this season. But what about another rookie defensive end? With Scott Crichton on the fringe and Brian Robison now 33 years old, the Vikings will be keeping their eyes out for another defensive end to slip into the rotation. Seventh-rounder Stephen Weatherly is a tall, long-armed defensive end like Hunter who should have good versatility. You’re also likely to read stories of the zillion instruments he knows how to play. If nothing else, he should be well-equipped for the talent portion of this Mr. Mankato Pageant.

     

    S Jayron KearseWhen 6-foot-4 Jayron Kearse bends down in his backpedaling stance, it still seems like he is towering over his teammates. Kearse is built like a small forward, and that incredible size for his position makes him stand out whenever he’s on the field. He’s also the newest commodity that could potentially be the answer at the long-contested strong safety spot. If Kearse shows any flashes, fans will be infatuated with the idea of having a giant like Kearse playing beside Harrison Smith at the back end.

     

    [caption id=attachment_4597" align="aligncenter" width="640]Patterson has yet to live up to the hype he generated after his rookie season. (Photo credit: Cumulus Media) Patterson has yet to live up to the hype he generated after his rookie season. (Photo credit: Cumulus Media)[/caption]

     

    From Austin Van Wyhe (via Facebook): I’ve seen a Zimmer quote saying Cordarrelle Patterson is the best he’s ever seen him. So how is he looking? Is he looking good enough to reexamine his role outside the return game?

     

    I like what I’ve seen from Patterson. His routes have looked sharper, and he continues to exhibit good hands. That being said, you know who else has looked great at wide receiver? Charles Johnson AND Adam Thielen. To this reporter’s eye, both appear to have raised their game a notch – granted, they haven’t had to face press coverage during offseason workouts.

     

    Johnson and Thielen will both be restricted free agents after the season, and both have more equity as receivers over the past two seasons than Patterson. At this point, the Vikings shouldn’t feel obligated to force the issue with Patterson as a receiver at the expense of better options in their contract years. Why not give a healthier Johnson a longer look after his injury-plagued 2015? Why not get more touches to Thielen, who is averaging over 14 yards per reception and over 22 yards per rush in his short career?

     

    In addition, Patterson’s role as returner will be minimized even more this season with the touchback being moved to the 25-yard line. I’m not saying he’s on the immediate chopping block, but I think there’s a greater chance Patterson is a late cut (maybe 25 percent) than there is of him being a meaningful wide receiver (maybe 10 percent).

     

    From James Knoop (via Facebook): What is the outlook for this and next season if Teddy is a bust from Game 1?

     

    Just because Vikings fans would ridicule you for even entertaining this thought, doesn’t mean it’s not a good question. Use all the peripheral stats you want, but the fact remains that Bridgewater needs to become a better downfield passer and start throwing his receivers open more than he has to this point.

     

    If you think back to the Christian Ponder Era, the Vikings gave up on him after his third season, a disastrous 2013 where he got hurt and ended up ceding a number of starts to Matt Cassel. It’s hard to fathom Bridgewater sinking that low and suddenly becoming the team’s third-string option over one offseason. If Teddy were to take a step backward in 2016, the Vikings would be in a tough spot because they’d have to decide on Bridgewater’s fifth-year option after his worst season. I would still assume they pick up the option and give Bridgewater a chance to redeem himself in 2017, but they’d probably draft a mid-round quarterback to develop and sign another veteran back-up to replace Shaun Hill.

     

    That’s all for today. I’ll have mini-camp reports throughout the next two days on Twitter @SamEkstrom. Make sure to follow.

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    It could be argued that Patterson's value as a returner only *increases* because of the new touchback rule. Teams don't like conceding those extra yards for free, and the strategy will likely shift to trying to kick just shy of the end zone.
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    "Use all the peripheral stats you want, but the fact remains that Bridgewater needs to become a better downfield passer and start throwing his receivers open more than he has to this point."

     

    I can't believe we are still using this logic. The issues Teddy has as a 'deep' passer are primarily related to people's perception of reality versus actual reality. If you change nothing about Teddy's existing passing stats except increase his number of attempts from league bottom to league average, he suddenly looks like a top 15 QB in the league...at worst. He is just fine, relative to his peers, at deep passes (https://www.profootballfocus.com/qbs-in-focus-deep-passing-2/).

     

    Or here (http://www.vikings.com/news/lunch-break/article-1/PFF-Most-Accurate-Quarterback-Teddy-Bridgewater/7a71ea33-44d3-49a5-a1fd-b820f04c9656):

    "Bridgewater threw 16.8 percent of his passes in the 10-to-20-yard range, which surprisingly was his best depth range according to PFF's grading.

     

    Bridgewater, meanwhile, attempted just 48 throws that went 20 or more yards downfield. That ranked 23rd among NFL quarterbacks, per PFF."

     

    My question to you is: why is it important he be a better downfield passer? And are you conflating 'need to be a better downfield passer' with 'throwing receivers open more'? Those are two vastly different takes on a given QB's needs, even if they overlap. Given that no QB faced more pressure than Teddy last season, AND that he turned 23 midway through the season, I fail to see how what he did gives any reason to be suspicious of his passing ability in general, and his deep passing specifically. How do expect to complete deep passes when protection breaks down every other attempt?

     

    I feel like people are expecting Teddy to be as good as the elite QBs in the league, which is ridiculous. Look at the ages of the elite guys (https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-pffs-2015-nfl-quarterback-rankings/):

    Carson Palmer - age 36

    Ben Roethlisberger - age 34

    Tom Brady - age 38

    Cam Newton - age 27

    Russell Wilson - age 27

    Drew Brees - age 37

    Teddy Bridgewater - age 23 (he's not on the elite list, but I'm trying to illustrate the point).

     

    If you want to compare age 23 seasons for these guys:

    Carson - didn't play. Was a 25 year old rookie

    Ben R - 268 attempts, 62.7%, 17 TD/9 INT, 2385 yards

    Tom B - 3 pass attempts as 23 year old rookie; 24 year old season: 413 att, 63.9%, 18 TD/12 INT, 2843 yards

    Cam N - 485 att, 57.7%, 19 TD/ 12 INT, 3869 yards

    Russell - didn't play. Was a 24 year old rookie.

    Drew B - 526 att, 60.8%, 17 TD/16 INT, 3284 yards

    Teddy B- 447 att, 65.3%, 14 TD/9INT, 3231 yards

     

    I would argue that the facts support that Teddy is doing just fine, and that criticism of him up to this point is actually misdirected criticism of Norv's! offensive playcalling that is run dominant and conservative in nature. I think as fans we were expecting the Norv! offense of the Chargers with Rivers, Gates, and Tomlinson, but we simply don't have that personnel nor an offensive line that could keep Teddy clean against Ohio St. AP will never be mistaken for Tomlinson as a receiver, and no receiver on the team is anywhere near as good as Gates was. And yet, it must be Teddy's fault, and specifically the lack of a deep passing game or his ability to throw average WR's open as a 23 year old behind the worst pass blocking line in the league last year. That's what's really the problem.

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    This is an excellent comment. Thanks for putting so much thought into it!

     

    Whether Bridgewater is good, bad or average is a very nuanced topic, and there are lots of valid opinions out there that show he's better than might appear on the surface. I don't think those are wrong. I would simply submit the following.

     

    1. If Teddy didn't improve at all this season, would you still be satisfied? I think it's easy to be content with him right now because of the team's success, but I think we're also pretty infatuated with the idea of what Bridgewater could be if he progresses linearly.

    2. The coach and GM have both said he needs to let it loose this season. Zimmer also mentioned it several times last season. His accuracy is one thing, but it's more about the throws he didn't make. Was he pressured too much? Yes. But it's legal to say that Bridgewater was also accountable for some of those sacks. It's tricky to evaluate.

     

    Again, thanks for the discussion. Good stuff.

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    I think the San Francisco loss was partly due to the surprise of how bad the Viking's offensive line was compared to what the coaching staff believed would be only a slight dropoff with the two normal starters being out. I'll have to watch the game again but I remember our defense being pushed around by their multiple tight end formations which probably surprised the coaching staff a bit as well.

    ... watching that again is going to be painful though.

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